Somewhere only we know [OOC Discussion topic]

by **Capt'n Sinnarr** Yesterday at 9:41 pm

Okay, I was going to originally let Admin Lily and Moderator Rlgruber handle it, but so far not a single thing has happened. For a week, I have been trying to show people that Essay and Amatsu had no way of finding Kaira and me, something that I now apparently died over because Staff did not do a single thing about it, despite telling me not to do anything until it was finished, resulting in my 48h death. Just a couple of reasons stated below [Which I made with help of Kaira, because she is agreeing with me that no one could possibly find us].

Reason number 1. Timeline:
I checked the time of all the topics leading up to this, proving that number 1. Timeline is the first reason why this would not have been possible.

Description:: [12-5-2012 20:20:50] Superwillem: Nostalgia [Royce/P]
by Capt'n Sinnarr on Fri 4 May

This is when the first topic with Kaira, Osmosis, Blaine and me started, going from a discussion to a fight between two nation rulers, in which Kaira and I left at the date of 10 may. If you take a look at the topic, you will see that this is correct: http://www.narutor.org/t26061p15-nostalgia-royce-p?highlight=nostalgia

The first time Amatsu and Essay got together IC was on the date of 10 may, in which they started discussing things IC to go to Ryoku for their own personal plot. This was in the topic called "The Last Horaah", which ended on the date of 10 may. This can be found here: http://www.narutor.org/t26178-the-last-horaah?highlight=horaah

What followed was Kaira and me travelling to the opposite end of the island to go to my last remaining facility. This was 700 meters underground, and on the other side of the country so no one would be able to follow us that easily, nor conveniently know there was a place over there.

After a travel topic, Amatsu and Essay arrived on the date of 12 may, which can be seen in the topic called "Hunted by the wolf, Bitten by the snake", in which they stated seeing Kaira's Character Shioni with the Byakugan. [Max range of the Byakugan is 800m, found the same on multiple sites], thus seeing us in a place we no longer where, considering we had already reached our destination during the time they where traveling, proving that this fact of them seeing us would not have worked simply because of timeline and us being on the other side of the island. The Arrival topic of Amatsu and Essay is: http://www.narutor.org/t26231-hunted-by-a-wolf-bitten-by-a-snake

The topic in which they attacked us started on the date of 10 may, going by information that could not have officially been gained due to us not being where they stated we where, not to mention that we where roughly 700 meters under solid rock and earth. They stated seeing us somewhere we had left 2 days ago, meaning we where long gone while they traveled, showing they could never have seen us, not even with the Byakugan. Topic can be found here: http://www.narutor.org/t26199-somewhere-only-we-know-shioni

Reason number 2. Travel:
Because the times have already been proven to be invalid, being reason one for them to not be there, I still want to go on and give even more reasons and information as to why this is all incorrect.

Description:: Kaira and I left the location they stated seeing us in, this location being called the Aoi Kami Fujin Outpost of Ryokugakure. They had to travel from Tengakure to Ryokugakure IC, taking them several hours, in which we had gone from one side to the other of the Country, 40-50 Kilometers from the place they stated seeing us in, thus impossible to spot with the Byakugan. Their arrival on the date of 12 may and the start of our topic on the date of 10 may proves that we where not anywhere near their location, proving point two on my list of them not possible capable of finding us based on broken information.

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If you put 1. and 2. together, you should know all you'd have to, this being that they could have never found us in the first place.

by **CleverYamanaka** Yesterday at 9:57 pm

Capt'n Sinnarr wrote:Okay, I was going to originally let Admin Lily and Moderator Rlgruber handle it, but so far not a single thing has happened. For a week, I have been trying to show people that Essay and Amatsu had no way of finding Kaira and me, something that I now apparently died over because Staff did not do a single thing about it, despite telling me not to do anything until it was finished, resulting in my 48h death. Just a couple of reasons stated below [Which I made with help of Kaira, because she is agreeing with me that no one could possibly find us].

Reason number 1. Timeline:
I checked the time of all the topics leading up to this, proving that number 1. Timeline is the first reason why this would not have been possible.
Description:

[12-5-2012 20:20:50] Superwillem: Nostalgia [Royce/P]
by Capt'n Sinnarr on Fri 4 May

This is when the first topic with Kaira, Osmosis, Blaine and me started, going from a discussion to a fight between two nation rulers, in which Kaira and I left at the date of 10 may. If you take a look at the topic, you will see that this is correct: http://www.narutor.org/t26061p15-nostalgia-royce-p?highlight=nostalgia

The first time Amatsu and Essay got together IC was on the date of 10 may, in which they started discussing things IC to go to Ryoku for their own personal plot. This was in the topic called "The Last Horaah", which ended on the date of 10 may. This can be found here: http://www.narutor.org/t26178-the-last-horaah?highlight=horaah

What followed was Kaira and me travelling to the opposite end of the island to go to my last remaining facility. This was 700 meters underground, and on the other side of the country so no one would be able to follow us that easily, nor conveniently know there was a place over there.

After a travel topic, Amatsu and Essay arrived on the date of 12 may, which can be seen in the topic called "Hunted by the wolf, Bitten by the snake", in which they stated seeing Kaira's Character Shioni with the Byakugan. [Max range of the Byakugan is 800m, found the same on multiple sites], thus seeing us in a place we no longer where, considering we had already reached our destination during the time they where traveling, proving that this fact of them seeing us would not have worked simply because of timeline and us being on the other side of the island. The Arrival topic of Amatsu and Essay is: http://www.narutor.org/t26231-hunted-by-a-wolf-bitten-by-a-snake

The topic in which they attacked us started on the date of 10 may, going by information that could not have officially been gained due to us not being where they stated we where, not to mention that we where roughly 700 meters under solid rock and earth. They stated seeing us somewhere we had left 2 days ago, meaning we where long gone while they traveled, showing they could never have seen us, not even with the Byakugan. Topic can be found here: http://www.narutor.org/t26199-somewhere-only-we-know-shioni

Reason number 2. Travel:
Because the times have already been proven to be invalid, being reason one for them to not be there, I still want to go on and give even more reasons and information as to why this is all incorrect.
Description:

Kaira and I left the location they stated seeing us in, this location being called the Aoi Kami Fujin Outpost of Ryokugakure. They had to travel from Tengakure to Ryokugakure IC, taking them several hours, in which we had gone from one side to the other of the Country, 40-50 Kilometers from the place they stated seeing us in, thus impossible to spot with the Byakugan. Their arrival on the date of 12 may and the start of our topic on the date of 10 may proves that we where not anywhere near their location, proving point two on my list of them not possible capable of finding us based on broken information.

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If you put 1. and 2. together, you should know all you'd have to, this being that they could have never found us in the first place.

Makes sense to me.
Another thing to keep in mind is that the Byakugan cannot search an entire nation. Sin and Kaira are very far away, and I am not sure that the Byakugan would be able to see that.

What is more, albeit this is slightly minor, in the entrance topic where SA uses the Byakugan to find everyone (despite the fact that Byakugan cannot search those distances, me thinks) the Hodaka Hyuuga body says nothing. Unless SA can see through his eyes, and see the people himself, which would be extremely OP, seeing as he would then also have the Byakugan, he would not know. Also, if Hodaka does not know Kaira, then mind links would not work, because he would pretty much be sending the mind link: "A bunch of people I dont know."

Also, seeing as they dont even know Sin's character, it is pretty much all completely obvious OOC gaming to come and get him. Seems stupid to me, but hell I am not a staff. It seems that all the other mods that SHOULD have been posting on that topic are no longer active enough to do anything about it, and now Sin's character is being 48 hour killed from an attack that, quite frankly, would not kill him even it if did hit :/

by **Masked Man** Today at 2:31 am

First of all, the Byakugan has telescope vision and the Mind rods allow mind links between the bodies. Let's not forget my Hodaka body has met Shioni on one than more occasion, and lets not forget Shioni was THE person that did the transplants to begin with.

Sin and Shioni was on the same outpost as us when I started scanning. So infact, they were not very far away, and with us already having Shioni's chakra signature, locking onto her was easy.

For your first. There is no definite timeline on this site to say WHEN someone did something, so trying to pull that card won't work. And second of all, you can't determine when Amatsu and Taski met up. We decide that time, not you. It could have been before you even made it to Ryoku. You have no right to tell us when we got anywhere. Also since Blaine nor Os's character met us at the gates, it was safe to assume they were dealing with you all. A Kage level Byakugan would have no problem finding you if it has something to look for specific. Such as Shioni. And let's not forget it sees much more than just chakra, so the body would be recognized by outer appearance aswell.

The moment Blaine and Os chose not to meet us at the gates was the moment we could determine exactly when we arrived. Suck it up.

Now regarding the timing for your 30 minute stroll underground..that gave me a thirty minute window to trail you. Also Osmosis, I don't see how this concerns you. Those points you tried to point out are moot. Get some details first. Sin continue with your case. I never said the attack killed you. However you wouldn't be willy nilly fine either. Fangs from the Yamata [picture Orochimaru's jutsu used vs Itachi] are no joke to brush off. I'm not going for the kill, I'm going for the cleanse. Cleansing of all your impurities.

by **BlackPaper** Today at 2:56 am

SA, I am not clear on the way to create time lines, simply because there are no rules that dictate anything clear about them. I can see both sides of the argument, but I do feel that the time stamps are slightly significant.

Something to take note of, the topic that you saw upon entering was voided. I think that it means it never happened. I could be wrong, but that, again, you mean that you never saw Shioni. I honestly dont have much to say, but I can understand where Sin is coming from, and his argument seems just as logical.

What is more, Sin and I were talking over chat, and apparently Todd agrees with him. So once todd agrees with anything then it is pretty much impossible to rule or argue against :/ I dont have much more to say here. I have said my bit, and that is that. Thank you for listening.

by **Masked Man** Today at 3:06 am

Todd can come post in here. The fact that topic was voided only helps our case, seeing how the location he magically created has no specific location here, thus it could have been right infront of us where we walked. Doesn't matter to me *shrugs* The fact is, a Kage Level Byakugan would have no trouble finding something such as S rank Shioni's chakra signature.

by **Mr.House** Today at 3:10 am

Since the Nostalgia thread was not voided, and instead was determined to have happened just nobody getting hurt.

As such its quite clear that those two entered at the same time the topic went on as right afterwards I meet Amatsu's character.

Straws; grasping them.

by **BlackPaper** Today at 3:11 am

Once again, I dont know enough to present a valid argument against you. All else that I could state would be mostly opinionated and based on hypothesis, not fact. As such, I will not post them as they will lead no where that is useful. I s'pose just wait for Todd to say what he will say, and then you and Sin can take it up with him from there.

by **Mr.House** Today at 3:17 am

BlackPaper wrote:Once again, I dont know enough to present a valid argument against you.

But arent you the one arguing the most here on Sin's behalf?

by **MalevolentMalice** Today at 4:31 am

I simply wanted to point out what I pointed. I am not taking sides here. I am stating what I see. If what I saw was incorrect, or countered with an effective counter argument then I have nothing more to say. Does not mean that I still dont see as much logic behind Sin's words as I do behind SA's words. I think Sin has a very valid point.

by **Kaira** Today at 5:08 am

I doubt Sin would die from a snake bite and he was never given the chance to retaliate as the topic was supposedly on hold for inspection. It was supposed to be looked over and modded but it never got to that because our staff never acknowledged the problem. Also, I do believe if a giant snake was tunneling under ground we would at least feel certain vibrations and dirt would be falling and that. And Sin was never given the time to react because I told him Amatsu told me not to post just yet cause he was going to post first.

by **Mr.House** Today at 5:11 am

The reason we ignore the problem is because it always boils down to a he said she said deal.

Oh you gave me a chat log? Oh man this could never be edited.

by **Kaira** Today at 5:17 am

But a lot of other topic problems don't get ignored and this one does? That's sorta unfair.

by **Mr.House** Today at 5:20 am

Yeah sucks when s*** happens and its shoveled on you and then youre either ignored or shafted.

Yeah s*** sucks.

(Honestly if I wasn't just level 2 I would have a vast amount of interest in this, as honestly settling IC dealings is more of my cup of tea)

by **MalevolentMalice** Today at 6:18 am

If people told him not to post, then they need to come here and say that. Then the topic will be under moderation. Until then people should stop posting here :/ There is no use. Let's just wait until the people responsible come forth.

by **Masked Man** Today at 6:39 am

Sin should have posted on the topic that it was under review. It is honestly his fault that Amatsu posted. He has no problem putting an OoC post on a topic before, so why didn't he do it here? I'll show no sympathy for incompetence. He was online, he had plenty of times to tell Amatsu or myself.

Second of all, I never said he died. I haven't posted again because I was waiting for his post. And I still don't plan on posting until things clear up. This he said she said crap doesn't get us anywhere.

Kaira, even if you felt the vibrations, if you don't post you get skipped, and thus your character is pretty much standing there like an idiot throughout it all. Honestly, the snake was just bait..It wasn't hard at all to handle, yet he deliberately sat there and let no one know until it was too late. Once again, no sympathy from me, but doesn't mean he's dead.

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